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In preperation for the

 

11-11-2005  2 hour  Live!  interactive

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'Spiritual Quest 4 Untold Mysteries'

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the 11-11-2005 broadcast will cover:

Near Death Experiences (NDE) &

Out of the Body Experiences (OBE)

 

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20 Impressive Quotes of

Near Death Experiencers (NDE)

 

"If I lived a billion years more, in my body or yours, there's not a single experience on earth that could ever be as good as being dead. Nothing." - Dr. Dianne Morrissey, a Near-Death Experiencer

"I knew with total certainty that everything was evolving exactly the way it should and that the ultimate destiny for every living being is to return to the Source, The Light, Pure Love.." - Juliett Nightengale, Near-Death Experiencer

"[The light] showed me that
God is love. By spreading love, you make God stronger. By making God stronger, He can, in return, help you. He told me your love has to be unconditional. That is the only rule he really has." - anonymous

"From the light we have come and to the light we all shall return." - Josiane Antonette, Near-Death Experiencer

"After you die, you wear what you are." - St. Teresa of Avila

"One of the near-death experience truths is that each person integrates their near-death experience into their own pre-existing belief system." - Jody Long, near-death researcher

"Death is nothing more than a doorway, something you walk through." - Dr. George Ritchie 

"Although my near-death experience was nearly thirty four years ago, there is virtually not a day that goes by that I am not aware of making decisions based on that experience." - Geraldine Berkheimer 

"As each second passed there was more to learn, answers to questions, meanings and definitions, philosophies and reasons, histories, mysteries and so much more, all pouring into my mind. I remember thinking, 'I knew that, I know I did, where has it all been?'" - Virginia Rivers describing her near-death experience

"I now feel that my life is totally guided by God ... To me it was a case of total surrender and total freedom." - Janet, Near-Death Experiencer

"When snatched from the jaws of death, tooth marks are to be expected." - Hal Story, Near-Death Experiencer

"It [suicide] is like killing a plant or flower before it's full-grown or before it's served its purpose ... The only thing that I can think and comprehend is that to try and understand reincarnation. That somehow, instead of evolving, you would regress." - a quote from a Near-Death Experiencer in Dr. Ring's study

"While the person who commits suicide dies only once, the loved ones left behind may die a thousand deaths wondering why." - anonymous

 


"I saw also that there was an ocean of darkness and death, but an infinite ocean of light and love, which flowed over the ocean of darkness." - George Fox
 


"I still live. Pretty." - famous last words of Daniel Webster
 


"I knew that I was in a state of hell, but this was not the typical "fire and brimstone" hell that I had learned about as a young child. .... Men and women of all ages, but no children, were standing or squatting or wandering about .... Some were mumbling to themselves. .... They were completely self-absorbed, every one of them too caught up in his or her own misery to engage in any mental or emotional exchange." - Angie Fenimore, a Near-Death Experiencer
 


"The "hell" that I experienced was the pain, anguish, hurt and anger that I had caused others, or that I suffered as a result of my actions/words to others. "Hell" was what I had created for myself and my own soul through turning my back on unconditional love, compassion and peace." - Tina, a Near-Death Experiencer
 


"Hell is a state of being we create by being away from God until we choose to return to him. It is a state totally devoid of love." - Sandra Rogers, Near-Death Experiencer
 


"The only thing that burns in hell is the part of you that won't let go of your life: your memories, your attachments. They burn them all away, but they're not punishing you, they're freeing your soul." – Meister Eckhart
 


"I had a descent into what you might call Hell .... I did not see Satan or evil. My descent into Hell was a descent into each person's customized human misery, ignorance, and darkness of not-knowing. It seemed like a miserable eternity. But each of the millions of souls around me had a little star of light always available. But no one seemed to pay attention to it. They were so consumed with their own grief, trauma and misery." - Mellen-Thomas Benedict, a Near-Death Experiencer
 


"We are going to link up, hold hands, and walk out of hell together." - Mellen-Thomas Benedict

 

 

NDE goes finally (after decades being ignored) mainstream:

Science Magazine Lancet Study on Near Death Experiences

 

The Lancet is one of the world's most respected medical journals !

 

So when it published an article in its current edition in which scientists claim to have PROOF that humans have a life after death that exists independently of the body that it inhabits, folks are sitting up and taking notice. Many readers of this newsletter have strong spiritual convictions about the existence of the soul, but it is wonderful to have medical science support these convictions.

These two articles from IANDS' newsletter Vital Signs (2002, Number 1)

provide an introduction in layman's terms to the Dutch study.  The original study is available on-line.

 

The first article summarizes and interprets the results of the study, and the second one gives commentary.

 

Dutch NDE Study Attracts Worldwide Attention
by Jeffrey Long, MD & Paul Bernstein, PhD.

 

On December 15, 2001, the highly respected international medical journal, The Lancet, published a 13-year study of NDEs observed in 10 different Dutch hospitals.  This is one of the very few NDE studies to be conducted prospectively, meaning that a large group of people experiencing cessation of their heart and/or breathing function were resuscitated during a fixed period of time, and were interviewed.  Through those interviews the doctors discovered who had experienced NDEs.  The advantage of this type of study is that it gives scientists a matched comparison group of non-NDE patients against which to compare the Near-Death Experiencers, and that in turn gives scientists much more reliable data about the possible causes and consequences of the near-death experience.

 

For example, in the past some scientists have asserted that the NDE must be simply a hallucination brought on by the loss of oxygen to the brain [called 'anoxia'] after the heart has stopped beating.  This study casts doubt on that theory, in the words of its chief investigator, cardiologist Pim van Lommel, MD, 'Our results show that medical factors cannot account for the occurrence of NDE.  All patients had a cardiac arrest, and were clinically dead with unconsciousness resulting from insufficient blood supply to the brain.  In those circumstances, the EEG (a measure of brain electrical activity) becomes flat, and if CPR is not started within 5-10 minutes, irreparable damage is done to the brain and the patient will die.  According to the theory that NDE is caused by anoxia, all patients in our study should have had an NDE, but only 18% reported having an NDE...  There is also a theory that NDE is caused psychologically, by the fear of death.  But only a very small percentage of our patients said they had been afraid seconds before their cardiac arrest—it happened too suddenly for them to realize what was occurring.  More patients than the frightened ones reported NDEs.'  Finally, differences in drug treatments during resuscitation did not correlate with the likelihood of patients experiencing NDEs, nor with the depth of their NDEs.

 

Of the 344 patients tracked by the Dutch team, 18% had some memory from their period of unconsciousness, and 12% (1 out of every 8) had what the physicians called a 'core' or 'deep' NDE.  The researchers defined that as a memory by the patient from their period of unconsciousness which scored six or more points on the scale published by Dr. Ken Ring in his 1980 study, Life at Death: A Scientific Investigation of the Near-Death Experience,.  This scale includes, among other things, out-of-body perception, moving through a tunnel, communication with light, blissful feelings, observation of a celestial landscape, meeting with deceased persons, life review, and presence of a border.  The scientists were surprised that the NDErs recalled their experience with the same degree of detail when interviewed again several years later.

 

During those follow-up interviews (2 years and 8 years later), the scientists assessed the patients' attitudes about several key issues in life—fear of death, acceptance of others, interest in spirituality, and the like.  On 13 such issues they found substantial, statistically significant differences between the NDErs and the non-NDErs.  For example, NDErs had become much more empathic and accepting of others since their NDE than had the non-NDErs.  And NDErs had become both more appreciative of the ordinary things of life and much less afraid of death than had the non-NDErs.

 

Dr. van Lommel and his colleagues conducted the entire study without special funding; they volunteered their own time and engaged the volunteer efforts of many IANDS members in Holland (whose group is called Merkawah.  Two years ago Dr. van Lommel and his colleagues were visited by Vital Signs columnist PMH Atwater (who described Merkawah's activities in VS Issue #1, 2000, pages 5-8).  Following the recent publication of their study in The Lancet, Dr. van Lommel gave the following interview to IANDS' Vice-President Dr. Jeffrey Long.

 

Dr. Long: The Lancet article received enormous publicity world-wide.  For example, here in the US, ABC-TV featured it on their evening news.  What reaction did you notice from physicians/scientists?  And from the general public?


Dr. van Lommel: There has been an incredible amount of reaction from all over the world, especially in newspapers, but also in journals, radio, and TV.  I myself received more than 265 e-mails in just four weeks, including a lot from physicians who wrote to me about their own NDEs!  Most of the reactions were positive, but I assume that people who want to ignore the subject would not e-mail me.  In our 800-bed teaching hospital there has been a lot of positive reaction by colleagues, but of course they already have known for years that I was interested in NDE.

 

Dr. Long: Are you planning any further NDE studies?


Dr. van Lommel: I am not planning any research at this moment.  I have ideas about a study-design, but at this moment I have no time.

 

Dr. Long: I understand you helped found Netherlands' only Friends-of-IANDS group.  Has the Lancet article affected attendance or interest in NDE?


Dr. van Lommel: Our IANDS-Netherlands group, Merkawah, has more than 400 members, national meetings, local meetings, a quarterly magazine with the name Terugkeer (which means Coming Back), local discussion groups, regional coordinators, and of course a governing board.  In 1988 I was one of the founders, but at this moment I am not on the board any more.  Also in Belgium and France there are actively operating IANDS organizations.  Of course there has been a lot of attention in the newspapers, radio and TV, and that always stimulates reaction, including quite a lot of people who've had an NDE and did not know previously about Merkawah.  There were reports about our study in the newspapers of England, Germany, Belgium, Switzerland, Italy, Greece, France, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, India, Nepal, and Brazil as far as I am aware of, and of course in the USA.  This started a lot of discussion about NDE, in particular about the relationship of consciousness and memories to brain functioning.  For me, not only is growing attendance for IANDS important, but more openness and awareness about NDEs by physicians and nurses, and having the scientific approach be taken towards the NDE instead of just a sensationalist approach.

 

The possibility of consciousness existing outside of the brain, when the brain itself appears to be dead, is for Dr. van Lommel an especially important outcome of this research.  As he wrote at the end of The Lancet article, and then added in a letter to Dr. Long:

How could a clear consciousness outside one's body be experienced at the moment that the brain no longer functions during a period of clinical death with flat EEG? . . .  Furthermore, blind people have described veridical perception during out-of-body experiences at the time of this experience.  NDE pushes at the limits of medical ideas about the range of human consciousness and the mind-brain relation.  There is a theory that consciousness can be experienced independently from the normal body-linked waking consciousness.  The current concept in medical science, however, states that consciousness is the product of the brain.  Could the brain be a kind of receiver for consciousness and memories, functioning like a TV, radio or a mobile telephone?  What you receive is not generated by the receiver, but rather electromagnetic informational waves (photons) that are always around you and are made visible or audible to you by the brain and your sense organs.  In our prospective study of patients that were clinically dead (flat EEG, showing no electrical activity in the cortex, and loss of brain stem function evidenced by fixed dilated pupils and absence of the gag reflex), the patients report a clear consciousness, in which cognitive functioning, emotion, sense of identity, or memory from early childhood occurred, as well as perceptions from a position out and above their 'dead' body.

To answer these fundamental questions, research should be focused on specific elements of the NDE, such as out-of-body experiences and other verifiable aspects.  Finally, the theory and background of transcendence should be included as a part of an explanatory framework for these experiences.

Such emphasis on transcendent experience is not welcomed by all medical professionals.  The Lancet editors included a 'Commentary' on Dr. van Lommel's article, which argued that even when patients accurately report events that occur while their brain and heart are not functioning, the cause might not be a true separation of their consciousness from their bodies but rather 'prior knowledge, fantasy or dreams, lucky guesses, ...details learned between the NDE and giving an account of it, and...false memories' the mind trying to retrospectively 'fill in the gap' after a period of cortical inactivity.  1

 

The Commentary's author, British psychology professor Christopher French, explained further why he finds it hard to believe these patients' reports of their NDEs.  He pointed to the fact that two persons who'd originally told van Lommel's team of no memory that would be categorized as an NDE, later told them in the two-year follow-up interview of experiences in the hospital that the researchers would categorize as core NDEs.  Professor French's conclusion was that, 'It seems likely that at least some patients, on hearing about other survivors' NDEs, would start to imagine what it would have been like if they had had the same experience....  Recent psychological studies have shown conclusively that simply imagining that one has had experiences that had in fact never been encountered will lead to the development of false memories for those experiences.  1

 

But psychiatrist Dr. Bruce Greyson, a member of The Lancet's peer review team and a long-time NDE researcher, offered Vital Signs a different explanation.  'In my own research with patients hospitalized for attempted suicide, ...there were a few ...who, on follow-up visits, later described NDEs in the course of their initial suicide attempt.  They all told me that they simply hadn't trusted me sufficiently in our initial interview to share the NDE.  This should not be surprising, because many of them were concerned about being regarded as crazy...  There is quite a lot of evidence that NDErs often are unwilling to share their accounts with researchers until they have earned their trust.  Unless we have some reason to suspect that NDErs are highly suggestible and have some strong motivation to imagine having had their NDEs, it seems irrational to assume that all NDEs are 'false memories'.'

IANDS congratulates Dr. van Lommel for his excellent research.

 


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SKEPTICAL OF THE NDE-(pseudo)-SKEPTICS:

http://www.skepticalinvestigations.org/whoswho/vanLommel.htm

http://quest4wisdom.tripod.com/skepsiswatchers/id30.html

 

 

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Betty-Eadie-Near-Death-Experience-NDE-OBE-Research-

Coast2Coast-1hr45min-8sep1999.wma  (7,98 Mb)

 

VPRO-Lancet-Lommel-Onderzoek-Bijna-Dood-Ervaringen-BDE-NDE-31min38sec.wma 2,92 Mb

 

DossierQ28juli05.mp3  

( met dank aan www.serieWoordenaar.nl )

 

Link tips over NDE-BDE:


http://quest4wisdom.tripod.com/skepsiswatchers/id30.html
www.merkawah.nl/literatuur/lommel-lancet.html
www.bijnadoodervaring.nl/
www.nderf.org/Lancet%20von%20Lommel%20Review.htm
www.nderf.org/
www.near-death.com/

AFLEVERING 32 Noorderlicht VPRO over Bijna Dood Ervaringen
 


Tijdens een hartstilstand is de doorbloeding van de hersenen zo minimaal, dat er geen elektrische activiteit meer is. Toch herinneren sommige mensen die het overleven wat er op dat moment gebeurde. Laten zulke \'bijna-doodervaringen\' zien dat het bewustzijn niet uitsluitend in de hersenen zit?

 


Uit het leven van een dode    ... donderdag 11 april 2002 20:00 , zaterdag 13 april 2002 11:25 (herhaling) De publicatie in het Britse medische tijdschrift The Lancet van een onderzoek van de Arnhemse cardioloog Pim van Lommel over `bijna dood ervaringen\' deed eind vorig jaar veel stof opwaaien. Van Lommel vroeg 344 patiënten die een hartstilstand hadden gehad en gereanimeerd werden of ze zich iets herinnerden van de tijd dat hun hart stilstond. Eén op de vijf à zes patiënten meldde een `bijna-doodervaring\' gehad te hebben. Bovendien kregen sommige patiënten een `out of body experience\', waarbij ze konden vertellen wat er tijdens de reanimatie had plaatsgevonden.
 


Van Lommels verklaring hiervoor is dat het bewustzijn niet uitsluitend in de hersenen gelokaliseerd is. Zijn onderzoek sloot uit dat er correlaties waren tussen de `bijna-doodervaring\' en de toediening van medicijnen tijdens de reanimatie, evenals met geslacht, leeftijd, religiositeit van de patiënt, of angst voor de dood. Daarnaast stelt het onderzoek van Van Lommel ook de theorie van `zuurstofgebrek in de hersenen\' op non-actief, want als die waar was, zouden alle 344 patiënten een `bijna dood ervaring\' gehad moeten hebben.

 


Samenstelling en regie: Robert Oey
Research: Marie Lou Schoenmakers/Gertjan Wallinga
Productie: Madeleine Somer/Karin Spiegel
Eindredactie: Hansje van Etten

 


 

Sorry for the humor, could not help it, even as a NDE-Experiencer as myself loves HUMOR :)

by the way, the first sign of a cult-like behaviour is .... that they have NO sense of humor !

 

John Kuhles

 

 

 

 

Comments about the Dutch Study

From a Family Doctor Who is also a Near-Death Experiencer
by Pam Kircher, M.D.

 

Van Lommel's article in Lancet is a landmark that should be read by every doctor.  It reports on the largest prospective study to ask people about NDEs after a cardiac arrest.  Its results show that NDEs are a significant phenomenon in the setting of cardiac arrest.  Equally important, the study followed people for eight years after their NDE.  The observations gleaned from that follow-up demonstrate that NDEs really are life transforming, and that the transformation in values is consistent over time.  The study showed that NDEs create much greater changes in a person's life than does simply having a cardiac arrest or being near death.

Family doctors may not be the physicians present at the time of cardiac arrest, but they are the doctors people usually talk to the most, because they are the doctors people go to most often for a variety of problems.  I would encourage Vital Signs readers to obtain the complete Lancet article to share with your doctor.  You will be doing your family doctor a great favor.  Basically, we doctors change our minds about diagnoses and treatments because of articles in medical journals.

 

When people read van Lommel's article, they are often drawn to one or two items in his vast array of findings.  I have mentioned the major ones in my first paragraph.  Near the end of the summary on this page, Dr. Greyson addresses the question of false memories, which the Lancet commentary brought up regarding patients who later recalled an NDE they hadn't initially reported on.  For me, the most fascinating statistic in van Lommel's article has to do with predictors of death in the 30 days following cardiac arrest.  Each person in the study was very ill or they would not have had a cardiac arrest.  Statistically, it is quite common to die soon after a cardiac arrest, particularly if it occurred as the result of a chronic medical condition.  In his study, Dr.  van Lommel measured the depth of the NDE by using Kenneth Ring's scale.  People who had more of certain aspects of the NDE (e.g., tunnels, light, life reviews) were labeled core experiencers.  Having a core experience was a predictor of death over the next 30 days at a probability of .0001.  That means that there is a 1-in-10,000 chance that those results would have occurred by chance alone.  Why would that be?

 

Two very different hypotheses come to mind.  One is that people with very deep experiences might be so taken with the experience that they simply allowed themselves to slip over to the other side.  (The will to live is crucial in people who are extremely ill.  Though it doesn't predict whether or not the person will die, it can have a bearing on when their death occurs.  For example, people who are terminally ill frequently put off their own deaths until after they have finished waiting for an important day such as their daughter's wedding.)  The sense of what lies ahead of NDErs may be so peaceful, that they simply complete unfinished business here and then let go into death.  Another possible interpretation of the data, however, is that the depth of the NDE may be related to the severity of the illness of the person.  In a statistically precise study of NDErs, Dr.  Bruce Greyson found that psychic abilities are more common after a core NDE (Theta, 11:26-29, 1983).  Since we have not had studies until now that interviewed large numbers of people within 30 days of their NDEs, the reasons for the relationship between the depth of the NDE and impending death have not yet been identified.

 

I believe that the findings in van Lommel's study challenge hospitals to ask people about their NDEs after a cardiac arrest.  As it becomes common practice to invite resuscitated people to discuss their NDEs with health care personnel in the hospital, the relationship between having a core NDE and dying a short time later will become clearer.  In addition, NDEs in resuscitated persons will be seen as a normal concomitant of the experience.  Finally, I believe that people with NDEs will be able to adjust more easily to the changes that occur in their values, if they have some assistance with that from immediate caregivers while still in the hospital setting.

 

Colorado physician Pam Kircher is board certified in both hospice care and family practice.  She has taught at Baylor College of Medicine, and was Chief of Family Medicine at Memorial Southwest Hospital in Houston, Texas.

 


  Follow this link for the full Lancet article (PDF: 920Kb).  (If you have trouble reading the PDF file, the Adobe Acrobat Reader is available for free download.)  If you also want to read its accompanying Commentary, you may visit the Lancet website, register there for free, and search for the keywords 'near death'.  The article's title is, Near-death experience in survivors of cardiac arrest: a prospective study in the Netherlands, to be cited as Lancet 2001; 358: 2039-45.  Its authors, in addition to Dr. van Lommel, are Ruud van Wees, Vincent Meyers, and Ingrid Elfferich.


References

  1. French, Christopher (2001).  'Commentary.'  Lancet 358, pp. 2010-11.

 

BDE - bijna-doodervaringen - Stichting Merkawah

http://profezie3m.altervista.org/archivio/TheLancet_NDE.htm

http://www.nderf.org/Lancet%20von%20Lommel%20Review.htm

 

SKEPTICAL OF THE NDE-(pseudo)-SKEPTICS:

http://www.skepticalinvestigations.org/whoswho/vanLommel.htm

http://quest4wisdom.tripod.com/skepsiswatchers/id30.html

 

 

  Bold Scientists Say:  PROOF Soul Exists!

 

Dr. Pim van Lommel

 

Some people who have survived a life-threatening crisis report an extraordinary experience. Near-death experience occurs with increasing frequency because of improved survival rates resulting from modern techniques of resuscitation.

The content of NDE and the effects on patients seem similar worldwide, across all cultures and times. The subjective nature and absence of a frame of reference for this experience lead to individual, cultural, and religious factors determining the vocabulary used to describe and interpret the experience.1

 

NDE are reported in many circumstances: cardiac arrest in myocardial infarction (clinical death), shock in postpartum loss of blood or in perioperative complications, septic or anaphylactic shock, electrocution, coma resulting from traumatic brain damage, intracerebral hemorrhage or cerebral infarction, attempted suicide, near-drowning or asphyxia, and apnea.

Such experiences are also reported by patients with serious but not immediately life-threatening diseases, in those with serious depression, or without clear cause in fully conscious people. Similar experiences to near-death ones can occur during the terminal phase of illness, and are called deathbed visions.

 

Identical experiences to NDE, so-called fear-death experiences, are mainly reported after situations in which death seemed unavoidable: serious traffic accidents, mountaineering accidents, or isolation such as with shipwreck.

Several theories on the origin of NDE have been proposed. Some think the experience is caused by physiological changes in the brain, such as brain cells dying as a result of cerebral anoxia.2-4 Other theories encompass a psychological reaction to approaching death,5 or a combination of such reaction and anoxia.6

 

Such experiences could also be linked to a changing state of consciousness (transcendence), in which perception, cognitive functioning, emotion, and sense of identity function independently from normal body-linked waking consciousness.7

People who have had an NDE are psychologically healthy; although some show non-pathological signs of dissociation.7 Such people do not differ from controls with respect to age, sex, ethnic origin, religion, or degree of religious belief.1

Studies on NDE1,3,8,9 have been retrospective and very selective with respect to patients. In retrospective studies, 5-10 years can elapse between occurrence of the experience and its investigation, which often prevents accurate assessment of physiological and pharmacological factors.

 

In retrospective studies, about 45%1 of adults and up to 85% of children10 who had a life-threatening illness were estimated to have had an NDE. A random investigation of more than 2000 Germans showed 43% to have had an NDE at a mean age of 22 years.11 Differences in estimates of frequency and uncertainty as to causes of this experience result from varying definitions of the phenomenon, and from inadequate methods of research.12 Patients' transformational processes after an NDE are very similar1,3,13-16 and encompass life-changing insight, heightened intuition, and disappearance of fear of death. Assimilation and acceptance of these changes is thought to take at least several years.15

 

The authors defined NDE as the reported memory of all impressions during a special state of consciousness, including specific elements such as out-of-body experience, pleasant feelings, and seeing a tunnel, a light, deceased relatives, or a life review.

They defined clinical death as a period of unconsciousness caused by insufficient blood supply to the brain because of inadequate blood circulation, breathing, or both. If, in this situation, CPR is not started within 5-10 min, irreparable damage is done to the brain and the patient will die.

 

The results show that medical factors cannot account for occurrence of NDE; although all patients had been clinically dead, most did not have NDE. Furthermore, seriousness of the crisis was not related to occurrence or depth of the experience.

If purely physiological factors resulting from cerebral anoxia caused NDE, most of the patients should have had this experience. Patients' medication was also unrelated to frequency of NDE. Psychological factors are unlikely to be important as fear was not associated with NDE.

 

Only 12% of patients had a core NDE, and this figure might be an overestimate. True frequency of the experience is likely to be about 10%, or 5% if based on number of resuscitations rather than number of resuscitated patients. Patients who survive several CPRs in hospital have a significantly higher chance of NDE.

 

Good short-term memory seems to be essential for remembering NDE.

 

Patients with memory defects after prolonged resuscitation reported fewer experiences than other patients in our study.

Forgetting or repressing such experiences in the first days after CPR was unlikely to have occurred in the remaining patients, because no relation was found between frequency of NDE and date of first interview.

 

However, at 2-year follow-up, two patients remembered a core NDE and two an NDE that consisted of only positive emotions that they had not reported shortly after CPR, presumably because of memory defects at that time. It is remarkable that people could recall their NDE almost exactly after 2 and 8 years.

 

Our finding that women have deeper experiences than men has been confirmed in two other studies,1,7 although in one,7 only in those cases in which women had an NDE resulting from disease.

 

Our findings show that the process of change after NDE tends to take several years to consolidate. Presumably, besides possible internal psychological processes, one reason for this has to do with society's negative response to NDE, which leads individuals to deny or suppress their experience for fear of rejection or ridicule.

 

Thus, social conditioning causes NDE to be traumatic, although in itself it is not a psychotraumatic experience. As a result, the effects of the experience can be delayed for years, and only gradually and with difficulty is an NDE accepted and integrated. Furthermore, the long-lasting transformational effects of an experience that lasts for only a few minutes of cardiac arrest is a surprising and unexpected finding.

 

Several theories have been proposed to explain NDE.

 

We did not show that psychological, neurophysiological, or physiological factors caused these experiences after cardiac arrest.

 

Neurophysiological processes must play some part in NDE. Similar experiences can be induced through electrical stimulation of the temporal lobe (and hence of the hippocampus) during neurosurgery for epilepsy,23 with high carbon dioxide levels (hypercarbia),24 and in decreased cerebral perfusion resulting in local cerebral hypoxia as in rapid acceleration during training of fighter pilots,25 or as in hyperventilation followed by valsalva manoeuvre.4

 

Ketamine-induced experiences resulting from blockage of the NMDA receptor,26 and the role of endorphin, serotonin, and enkephalin have also been mentioned,27 as have near-death-like experiences after the use of LSD,28 psilocarpine, and mescaline.21

 

These induced experiences can consist of unconsciousness, out-of-body experiences, and perception of light or flashes of recollection from the past.

 

These recollections, however, consist of fragmented and random memories unlike the panoramic life-review that can occur in NDE. Further, transformational processes with changing life-insight and disappearance of fear of death are rarely reported after induced experiences.

 

Thus, induced experiences are not identical to NDE, and so, besides age, an unknown mechanism causes NDE by stimulation of neurophysiological and neurohumoral processes at a subcellular level in the brain in only a few cases during a critical situation such as clinical death. These processes might also determine whether the experience reaches consciousness and can be recollected.

 

With lack of evidence for any other theories for NDE, the thus far assumed, but never proven, concept that consciousness and memories are localized in the brain should be discussed.

 

How could a clear consciousness outside one's body be experienced at the moment that the brain no longer functions during a period of clinical death with flat EEG?22

 

Also, in cardiac arrest the EEG usually becomes flat in most cases within about 10 s from onset of syncope.29,30 Furthermore, blind people have described veridical perception during out-of-body experiences at the time of this experience.31 NDE pushes at the limits of medical ideas about the range of human consciousness and the mind-brain relation.

Another theory holds that NDE might be a changing state of consciousness (transcendence), in which identity, cognition, and emotion function independently from the unconscious body, but retain the possibility of non-sensory perception.7,8,22,28,31

Lancet December 15, 2001; 358: 2039-45


 

Dr. Mercola's Comment:

 

The Lancet is one of the world's most respected medical journals. So when it published an article in its current edition in which scientists claim to have PROOF that humans have a life after death that exists independently of the body that it inhabits, folks are sitting up and taking notice.

Many readers of this newsletter have strong spiritual convictions about the existence of the soul, but it is wonderful to have medical science support these convictions.

 

 

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'No medical explanation' for near death experiences

  • 10:23 14 December 2001

  • From New Scientis

Medical explanations cannot account for near death experiences (NDEs), according to the results of the biggest prospective study to date of patients who were resuscitated after clinical death. However, patients who reported an NDE were more likely to die soon afterwards.

Pim Van Lommel and his team at Hospital Rijnstate in the Netherlands interviewed 344 patients who were resuscitated after heart failure at 10 hospitals across the country. The patients were questioned as soon as they were well enough.

Eighteen per cent reported an NDE - classed as a memory of 'a special state of consciousness, including specific elements such as out-of-body experience, pleasant feelings and seeing a tunnel.'

But the team found no link between NDEs and drugs used to treat the patients, the duration of cardiac arrest or unconsciousness, or the patients' reports of the degree to which they feared death before the incident.

 

'This was the surprising thing,' van Lommel says. 'It's always said that NDEs are just a phenomenon relating to the dying brain and the lack of oxygen to the brain cells. But that's not true. If there was a physiological cause, all the patients should have had an NDE.'

 
Letting go

 

The patients were mostly elderly, with an average age of 62. Van Lommel found that those that reported an NDE were significantly more likely to die within 30 days.

'There is the idea that people can decide to some extent when they die,' says van Lommel. 'Perhaps when they had an NDE, their fear of death was over and they could let go.'

The team did find that patients who were under 60 and female were more likely to report an NDE. But the causes of the experience remain a mystery, van Lommel says.

 

His team questioned surviving NDE patients again two years after their resuscitation, and then after eight years. Most of the patients recalled the event in striking detail. And most showed significant psychological changes, the team reports. The 23 NDE patients who were still alive eight years later 'had become more emotionally vulnerable and empathic', they write.

 
Pushing the limit

 

Van Lommel's team report anecdotal stories of patients recalling events that happened around them during out of body experiences while they were clinically dead. These experiences 'push at the limit of medical ideas about the range of human consciousness and the mind/brain relationship,'

 

Van Lommel says.

 

Christopher French, at the Anomalistic Psychology Research Unit at Goldsmiths College, London, says the team's paper is 'intriguing', though he notes that van Lommel's team failed to contact the patients for corroboration. He points out that NDEs are impossible to objectively verify - and that out of body experiences have not been proved to exist.

But, in a commentary on the research, he writes: 'the out of body component of the NDE offers probably the best hope of launching any kind of attack on current concepts of the relationship between consciousness and brain function.'

If researchers could prove that clinically dead patients, with no electrical activity in their cortex, can be aware of events around them and form memories, this would suggest that the brain does not generate consciousness, French and Van Lommel think.

Journal reference: The Lancet (vol 358, p 2039)

 

The Journal of Religion and Psychical Research, 26, 1, 27-31.  January 2003.

 

The Survivalist Interpretation of Recent Studies Into the Near-Death Experience
                                
by Titus Rivas

 

Abstract
There is serious evidence for veridical perceptions during the stage of flat electroencephalogram (EEG) in so called Near-Death Experiences (NDEs). This paper addresses common counter-hypotheses for a survivalist interpretation of these experiences. The only possible alternative which would account for veridical NDEs is the false memory through retrocognition-hypothesis. It is shown why this alternative is less parsimonious than a straightforward survivalist interpretation of NDEs.

 

Introduction
The Near-Death Experience recently gained an increased scientific respectability by the publication of an article in The Lancet authored by Dr. Pim van Lommel of the Rijnstate Hospital at Arnhem (the Netherlands) and his collaborators (Lommel, et al. 2001). Their prospective work with cardiac patients who were succesfully resuscitated after cardiac arrest, resembles similar research by Dr. Sam Parnia at the University of Southampton and his colleagues (Parnia et al., 1998).


Both Van Lommel and Parnia have concluded that NDEs are real and that they cannot be explained by physiological or psychological causes (alone). Moreover, they have both accepted the implication that consciousness is not destroyed when our brain activity ceases, but that there is a continuity beyond brain coma and therefore probably after brain death as well. Consciousness does not ultimately depend on brain activity for its very existence, which makes it downright irrational to take for granted the idea that it would be obliterated after the brain ceases to exist as a physical system.
Materialists (I mean the non-reductive ones who accept the reality of consciousness during physical life) generally see consciousness as an epiphenomenon or correlate of brain activity. For the question of survival, it is therefore sufficient to show that there is no ultimate existential dependence of the mind on such brain processing. The theory of ultimate mental dependence on cerebral functioning is refuted by the survival of consciousness after the cessation of (cortical) brain processes, regardless of whether that cessation is temporary or final.

 

Near-death experiences and materialist theories of the mind
If it can be shown that consciousness is present eventhough the brain processes which following materialist theories are supposedly known to be responsible for it have ceased, those materialist theories can safely be considered as inadequate. Now, apriori there can be several responses to the challenge that is posed to materialism and epiphenomenalism by the recent NDE-findings:

1. Methodological scepticism: This is the usual response by skeptics whenever they are confronted by results that go against their (unquestionably closed-minded) world view. However, as the scientific reputation of the researchers involved in the recent studies certainly seems impeccable, and as their work has been accepted as worthy of publication in prestigious journals such as The Lancet, it may be safely assumed that the standard skeptic objection is simply baseless in this case. Research into NDEs cannot be dismissed anymore as being pseudo-scientific.


2. Flaws in the specific interpretation of the results. Some critics, such as C.C. French think that the findings of these studies should not be interpreted in a survivalist manner. It certainly seems to be the case that some individual patients are fully conscious during a flat EEG, but they really are not. The memories of the NDE they claim to have had are simply false memories (French, 2001). This can be further elaborated in two ways:
A. Patients who claim they have had an NDE simply suffer from some kind of self-deception. They never experienced anything like it, but they just believe they did. At a subconscious level, they have constructed a fantasy accompanied by images and fe